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Rui Reininho: “I think it's really weird that my GNR colleagues are poking their noses into people's properties to see what this plant does”

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Rui Reininho in the documentary "A Viagem do Rei", which tells his story. Photo: Afonso Sereno

Rui Reininho, Portuguese musician who became famous as the lead singer of GNR, needs no introduction. Contrary to what many think, he did not found the GNR, but it can be said that it became his soul. Born in 1955, in Porto, he ventured across borders from an early age, which allowed him to live “marginal” experiences, something that has always seduced him. Despite it not being his substance of choice, Rui Reininho told us everything he experienced with the cannabis plant (and beyond) and surprised us. Outraged by his “colleagues” from the GNR, when they invade the homes of those who choose to grow cannabis at home for their own consumption, he states: “the authorities are there to protect and serve and not to bother people in their environment, in their rest.”

We had a long conversation with Rui Reininho, who opened the doors of his perception to us.

Rui, what was your childhood like?
In downtown Porto, a minimally happy childhood, a little lonely, but when I started to have friends and accomplices, in fact, at the time we had access to parks and gardens in a very natural way. It was very normal, in the hours we had off, to leave the house and hang out with everyone in the neighborhood, especially learning to ride a bike, all that stuff, playing football, something very normal. My school was a popular public school and we had the islands, which is a very Porto-like circumstance; My colleagues who lived on the islands, frankly, were some of the ones I liked the most, because they showed me, in fact, a very sincere, very pure and very interesting experience and life. They could be some… the future gunas, right? (laughs) Later, he became closely associated with people from the islands, drug dealers, grandparents and things like that, and I actually lived nearby and was curious to go to their house, eat bread and marmalade, and all those childhood games and my adolescence, which I also spent there in Baixa do Porto. I started leaving the country quite early. Hence perhaps he was confronted with other realities. I believe that when I was 16 I started going to England, less than 20 years old, 17 years old I was traveling around Amsterdam, London, Interrail, going to northern Europe and then, in fact, I was confronted... I remember and I say this with the utmost sincerity: the first time I crossed a border by train was precisely... we bought an ervita there in Holland, which, at the time, was already a very liberal country and, although it was penalized, they were always very permissive. And then I always had this habit of crossing a border there, either with banned books or with that circumstance. This “dangerous life” has always interested me and contact with a certain marginalia and a certain reality. Then too... I'm almost in a monologue, wow, right? (laughter)

Image taken from the documentary “A Viagem do Rei”, which tells the life of Rui Reininho. Photo: Afonso Sereno

I was going to say that this whole experience of leaving the country allowed you to open your horizons.
Exactly, and in the 70s we had the colonial war that introduced, let's say, a habit, in the case of hemp and marijuana, and it was really the troops that came from Angola, and so on, right? It became a habit among all groups. Stupidly, there was a very large repression (this is my opinion) and, from one moment to the next, such was the repression on what they called more or less mild drugs – For me there are no soft or hard drugs, I think that drugs sometimes choose us more than we choose them… I'm thinking about coffee addicts, who people think is very normal. I, for example, don't think it's normal for a person to say: “Oh, in order to function first thing in the morning I have to drink two, three coffees”. Now that's being clingy! (laughs) And I met people in circumstances, as you can imagine, and even not only in this musical environment, but in every environment in which I worked – I took the cinema course in Lisbon and so on – where people were really dependent on that drugstore called strong, heroin, out there, right? And I always found it more difficult – and, fortunately, I met a lot of people who managed to escape addiction, but it was very difficult to get rid of cigarettes, and both cigarettes and coffee, as well as alcohol… I mean, alcohol is always seen with a certain amount of contempt. , but I think that everyone, under some circumstances, has also had a little too much, even if just to experience the effect... or to experience the hangover, in some cases. (laughter)

I see that you could do this interview alone! Soon I won't have any questions! (laughter)
And look, later, I also have little books like this. I don’t know if it looks good… [Shows “The Naked King” by Jack Herrer]

Of course, I also have that book and the afterword was written by the director of Cannadouro Magazine, João Carvalho, who also does research on hemp.
I used to go to a place here, in downtown Porto, that had products made from hemp and it always seduced me. In fact, I can show you my backpack, which has already been to Nepal and back. It's called Sativa and it's made from hemp, which is what I now go to the gym with and all that stuff. It's one of my trophies, so to speak, but in fact I think that, in the case of the so-called ervita, the repression very quickly led to the business – of course, completely underground, but sometimes in the public eye – immediately moving towards heroines and cocaine and things like that, and not the other way around, as they say: “Ah, you start with soft drugs and such, and then it's unstoppable! It’s a precipice.” I don't agree at all. It was the police repression, particularly here in this city, that I witnessed, that I saw, come on, in a year or two... the destruction of plants, of them actually being shelved... I had a cousin, precisely, who was smoking his joint, it was for the police station, there was a process; he worked on television, at RTP, he was threatened with dismissal and I think it was, in fact, the repression there that made people, in the case of dealers, of traders, thought like this: “Gee, if I, for one plastic bag and I don't know how many, get penalized, then it might as well be worth half a dozen packs of heroin, which is easier to hide, and the business and expansion started there. And unfortunately – I say, unfortunately, because I'm not going to take away anyone's pleasure or displeasure from the circumstances of their life, but then life becomes very difficult and people commit crimes, pay for them, ruin their rhythm of life. . They enter another one. I don’t even want to moralize… “without moralizing”, as the other person says in the song! (laughs) I have no morals whatsoever about that. As for the so-called softer drugs, I think that's also a very moral position and I think it's completely wrong for someone to say: “Ah, yes, this is for therapeutic purposes… but people can't get pleasure from it.” At the same time, it is like our Holy Church, and some of our ideologues, who say yes, but only to conceive, because a person cannot have pleasure, and I have already seen a statement in which two minutes are enough to impregnate a lady, that the The rest is lust, it's sin, it's everything. I think this assumption that people can't enjoy things is completely idiotic, don't you? It's like a person taking a sleeping pill. “You go to sleep, because you have insomnia, but you cannot dream. Dreaming is one thing... it's terrible and all, and it leads you to profane, impure and maddening thoughts.” Whatnot. 

Rui Reininho in a solo concert. Photo: Joana Linda

It's censorship, isn't it?... Have you felt censorship throughout your life?
The police of the mind, right? Which is something that is atavistic and, in our national case, is very, very reactionary. Like everything: the use of the body, the use of means... What do I have to do with the habits of my neighbors, as long as they don't bother me? Even at five hundred, sometimes, I have the Beach party I don't like it very much here next door, but I'm not grumpy there either; So, I'm going to take advantage, I'm going to spend the weekend away, so the windows don't shake here, right? But I'm not going there to try to boycott or prohibit people from taking pleasure in their activities. It's all about lack of freedom and maintaining freedom. Therefore, I think this little book [The King Goes Naked] is very useful, it is very interesting and so, regarding hemp, it enlightened me a lot. And, as I heard, one of the reasons why objects, clothes and everything are no longer made of hemp is because there is a LOBBY very strong of cotton, worldwide, which strangles, because, if we believe this and other books and other references, hemp needs less water, doesn't it? So, what is needed to make a cotton t-shirt, I don't think I know now, maybe I'll be inventing it, but... 

Yes, it is much superior.
A hemp t-shirt, a shirt, some panties, use much less water in the cultivation of the plant and the plant itself is very beautiful, it is very pleasant, it is a very peaceful plant. It is practically a symbol of world peace. It has a bit to do with the Lebanese flag, except, it doesn't, it also has a tree. Not all countries remember to put a tree on their flag. It is usually a machine gun or a sickle and a hammer can also be beautiful for those who fight! (laughter) 

Or a shield!
I don't know if it's Mozambique or Angola that actually has an AK-47, right? There are other countries that even have a machine gun on their flag. 

Angola has a palanca, Mozambique… I don't see.
Yeah, I think there's a hammer and a machine gun. Well, done! It's not that I want to say anything bad about Mozambique – perhaps the most wonderful place I've been to on Earth was right there on the Mozambican coast and on Bazaruto Island, which is fantastic. Bazaruto is in Mozambique, almost opposite Beira, but it is a very small archipelago, two, three islands. It's a wonderful place. And then I mentioned Nepal a moment ago, where I was three years ago. I was there for almost two months, I decided to make my last solo [album], 20.000 Mares Submarinas, with gongs, with Tibetan instruments and with environments like that. And I found it very curious that our guide, sometimes, pointed to the ground and there were in fact Indian marijuana plants, which grew spontaneously along the trails, and it is a very beautiful, very fresh plant. I have a special sympathy for plantations and I think it's a crime when I see plantations on fire; It reminds me a lot of burning books, of burning pseudo-witches. When we burn... I do the same, I have my little patio, a little more extended, I do my burning too, but they are dead and useless objects, aren't they? A bit like the Parsis, who burn the bodies, too. Not the Parsis, the Parsis, on the contrary, expose us…

Rui Reininho's most recent album, “20.000 Éguas Submarinas”, was recorded during a two-month retreat in Nepal. Photo: Joana Linda

They expose us to vultures…
They do this and so do Buddhists. Burning the body is when the matter itself no longer has any other use and is useless and the person does not want to use it as fertilizer. But therefore, From a poetic, military, police and state point of view, I am absolutely against prohibition and see no harm in legalization. But if the State makes money from tobacco, which seems to me to be more than confirmed that each cigarette has around four hundred addictive and some carcinogenic components, regarding marijuana, I don't think there will be as much information. Now, if you ask me whether I smoke or not, I have no problem either. Look, I even have an object here that was given to me on the beautiful island of São Miguel, a very interesting bollard [shows a cannabis flower]. If they raid our house, here it is, I'm here to show you the proof of the horrible crime in this wonderful little box! It was a gift, a token from a friend; He went to see me off at the airport and brought me this little box.

I think that, just for that reason, you won't have any problems.
I personally don't smoke at all, but it's for throat reasons. But there are other uses; there are teas, cakes, whatever.

Have you ever tried vaping?
Yes yes. They have already suggested it to me, even for reasons of appetite. My appetites sometimes disappear – some! Others remain! But I've never been good at messing around, even since I was a teenager. Sometimes my friends would ask me and such, “Come on!” I called mine them crumpled (laughter). I remember those little machines, there they are, in Holland, very common. Because people, even tobacco themselves, had a lot of rolling tobacco. It's a habit. And I think it's actually more user-friendly for people to make their own cigarettes than to open the pack, right? It's more convivial, and that's it, also that fact of passing, which is a very old expression, it's even in a song, at Woodstock, Pass the Dutchie, which is a kind of reggae, anyway!

You spoke to us edibles, or edible. Did you also use this route to consume cannabis?
I also spent some time, namely in Morocco, where there was a lot of habit of hash cakes, right? I also tried hash oil and found it a little heavy on my head, closer to opium, perhaps, but the dumplings... it's interesting that digestion itself actually has an effect. in the long run, it's not immediate, but after maybe half an hour, the person starts to feel... I felt looser and, as I like to laugh... at least it's a type of product that makes me smile, I don't know laugh out loud, but at least smile.

Rui Reininho with the GNR, back in the 2000s. Photo: DR

Be in a better mood, perhaps.
Yes, although the circumstances... I have the impression that a person, if they get used to it, goes through a state in which lysergic drugs would have a bit, which is... “Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?”, the fear of oneself, the fear of reunion, and I saw a lot of people panic, quite simply, everything is not within control; I remember being with some friends at a play, there at the Teatro da Trindade, in Lisbon, and, suddenly, a girl, quite simply, had an impulse, gave a few raisins and said “I’m going to give myself over to the police, because I’m not feeling well.” And we said: “But why are you going to hand yourself over to the police?” “No, I don’t know…!” I mean, morbidity is within us, nothing that triggers it... I don't know, I never thought of handing myself over to the police under any circumstances! Now, I have committed some sins like speeding, maybe even driving above 0,5, it has happened to me, eventually.

Going back a little, to your youth, do you remember when it was the first time you came into contact with cannabis?
Yes, it was on the first trips I took, namely in Holland, that I was very comfortable. The society is very... I don't like to call it liberal, because then we now associate it with a new liberalism that I don't think it is... but it was a very permissive society.

How old were you?
Quite early, 16, 17 years old…. I started going out... and then, on trips, it was... here there was still a certain repression and even a certain fear, let's say, of this very authoritarian society. And it penalized. I had friends who were actually punished for being caught with tiny amounts of cannabis and its derivatives.

And what was your relationship with cannabis like later on, throughout your life? Was it something you liked to use or not?
No, it wasn't my preference, it was essentially recreational and it was more about socializing, being there with people. I’ve never been a person who… I know many people who say: “the first thing I do is drink a cup of coffee, smoke a joint first thing in the morning” and so on…

It’s called “wake and bake”! (laughter)
My relationship never… let's say, I kept it to myself. In relation to other more recreational products, I have always done a little in social relations and now, poor thing, with my destiny, I only allow myself, sometimes, a red wine. I rarely do it alone

When you were younger, did you feel the need to alienate yourself? What substances would you like to try?
I think I've always had a certain antenna for euphoric people. I can, for example, and it's something I'm very aware of, which a friend told me the other day, when the phase of what we here in the North called tablets appeared. People were chewing gum, in those environments and things like that, I easily got into euphoria with people who were in those states... 

The GNR in the early 80s. Photo: DR

Was it by osmosis?
Exactly, there was an osmosis there… I went in and they came to ask “What did you take?” – and I said “I didn’t take anything!”, but I really joined a group that was all trump trum and me too. Especially because I really liked, even though I'm a bit clumsy, expressing myself with my body and dancing. Me, smoking, I never smoked much. I smoked cigarettes for twenty years. Not so, I think, that much; I started very late, around twenty, twenty-one. I don't know when I actually started working. There are two horrible vices, work and tobacco (laughs) and I never smoked that much; always from the afternoon onwards and sometimes when he was there, he went out a bit at night, often he didn't even go out with cigarettes... or he stuck it, or he went to buy it right then, in places. But I never smoked that much and then, as it was a lot of trouble, If it was cannabis, I either took it prepared, or I didn't have the patience to go and do it or be there waiting to get it done...

And where did you get your cannabis?
He belonged to a group there, namely in this city and others, in which people normally had; Some started to plant it, but it was a bit of poor quality. In the early 70s, a lot of it came from the former colonies, bags of weed, as we called it. It was very good herb, in plastic bags. I remember going shopping too, with friends and such; and it was dangerous, it was clandestine, although people didn't realize it. I believe that, in the 70s, people didn't really realize that people were, let's say, under the influence of cannabis, but it's not too exaggerated either, maybe, laugh a little. I actually remember really working up an appetite and wanting to eat, in fact, after midnight, but it was an interesting point of view. Then I remember being a very special component to the so-called down its trips lysergic, this to communicate to the other. I remember we had sessions, but my group was very organized. We did the planned sessions there, we chose the music in advance, so as not to have downs, it is not? To go on those trips.

With LSD?
Yes, yes, and then the way out usually had to do with what we called a herb, a haxe, to relax a little, because One of the things I discovered is that when we open these doors, sometimes we find what we don't want, even within ourselves.. I had friends and acquaintances and people I didn't even know very well and, normally, I avoided... I didn't really like being there... I think it's a relationship... the person is very available mentally and, even in the so-called Pass the Dutchie, pass the joints there... something I learned from the brothers friends, I don't think he's even offended if I mention... that he's a friend of mine from Kussondulola. (laughter)

What is in vibe, it is not? On the wave…
And be there with friends blackies and so on, in the studio, and our master didn't pass, and he taught me “No, no, this isn't supposed to pass!” He made those huge joints, didn't he? “It’s not for passing” and so on, “this is for someone to smoke for themselves!” I learned about two or three rituals there, but it's very interesting to be in a studio where there is a fog, where there is only cannabis in the air and the music is necessarily different; in fact, it is heard under other conditions; This is pure scientific investigation and… Science fiction! (laughter) 

Manel Cruz says, in the interview he gave us precisely for this section, that he wrote one of the best songs under the influence of cannabis. Have you ever had those moments of creativity too?
I believe! I don't remember, I'm just listening. What I like is listening to songs after they are conceived and listening to them in various circumstances. I always did this a little, even before it was definitively recorded, I listened to it in several stages. There it is, when you wake up it's very interesting, dry and fasting, to listen to what you were recording during the night, and we came to the conclusion that a large percentage went to waste, because that first reading in the morning is very more raw, isn't it? 

Manel also said this... that, often, the day before he thought it was spectacular and the day after it was rubbish.
A disappointment for them, thank goodness. I know that Manel has this criterion; in fact, not everything that is recorded in the call jam session It's worth enjoying, but I was saying that I like listening in different circumstances. At the time, we listened to it on cassette, then I started listening to it on CD, I played it on trips, I listened to the music in the car. Listening to music in the shower is also good, listening to it in mono and, if possible, then simulating the conditions of the radio, those battery-powered radios, in mono... see if it resists, let's say, all expressions. I've been doing this for… so, in 77… it will be almost fifty years of activity. I've done and collaborated with music in many ways, and yes, it's interesting, also a scientific experiment. Sherlock Holmes did it too; for example, cocaine itself, before it was persecuted, so to speak, by circumstances... before, states were never able to profit directly from these products. It was always essential. I had, in an old manual, very interesting stories, in which cannabis itself had been prescribed for some time; Freud himself has written... Sigmund Freud and that psychiatric line, he used it in sessions and the analysis is very different, precisely to change the state, for a person to have another point of view. Of course, it isn't, sending a line, a smell, is very important, often, to open one's mind and for a person to find defects and virtues in things. It has to be very quick, because the effect is really temporary. I never used it much in shows, for example; I don't know if that was the question that would come next... because the adrenaline of the show, for me, is not at all coincidental. Of course I tried it, half a dozen times, I won't say seventy. But, for example, these redder products, if the effect wears off in the middle of a performance, the person misses something, feels insecure, dries out their lips a little and so on... now, I know a lot of people who also like to use cannabis before shows and gives them... I don't know, they're lives, I've watched so much... so the people at reggae You really need it, don't you? That “nonsense”, but they also stay there for two or three hours, if necessary, right? Tchaka… tchaka… tchaka… tchaka… (laughs) Roots reggae. I really like reggae…fantastic, like ska, like many others.

Its use was always more on the recreational side.
Cannabis, for me, is… I've always considered it a hobby. It has this use, which is adopted by many people, even in terms of pain, right? There are people in physical states who say they really feel very relieved... and, especially, to take away their anxiety. And I tried to get even closer to this annual fair that usually takes place here; I think it's already annual, isn't it? To Cannadouro. 

Yes, it will be this weekend.
Well, I'm in Póvoa playing. I've been there, to the Alfândega, and the atmosphere is really interesting, very friendly. 

At Cannadouro there are many things related to hemp, which is also something you have already discovered…
It's true, it seems to me that a substantial use of hemp could avoid, as I heard, there it is... it's a good plant, which I think allows, with its use, to save a lot of water in terms of “clothing” and associated products – footwear, briefcases, the bags that I already showed, a gym bag called Sativa (from c).

But you know that, here in Portugal, there are already a lot of people wanting to grow hemp, but there are many obstacles, with apprehensions...
I think it's really weird that my GNR colleagues are poking their noses into people's properties to see what this plant does. And what does the other one do, right? It's a bit of a witch hunt, still, seeing what people have...

Especially at a time when Portugal is one of the largest producers of medicinal cannabis in the world. But if you have one or two plants at home, you risk going to jail, because you can't cultivate them. So where do people go to get it?Exactly, these are those legal nonsense of… the person, to have it, has to plant it, right?

But, in this case, the person has to resort to trafficking, but on the other hand there are companies that grow crops only for export.
The United States, which was one of the most conservative states, has now discovered that it is a motherlode... but that is one of the symptoms of wild capitalism, because when they discover that things make money, they make it legal.

Image taken from the documentary “A Viagem do Rei”, which tells the life of Rui Reininho. Photo: Afonso Sereno

Clear. And this has already arrived here in Europe as well. But we are always delaying legalization and leaving people having to turn to the world of crime. How do you see this situation?
It's ridiculous and it's a very self-serving situation. To begin with, I mean, from a social point of view, I believe that no one has anything to do with what others plant next door, in the fields... I know two or three places, but I won't report them, right? For example, in the Azores, I went to visit an initiative of four or five people who have their own... the Azorean cannabis seemed quite good to me and, in fact, it's all so spontaneous, such a spontaneous plant... it will be a bush, a bush, and I always find it interesting when, let's say, the authorities focus on wasting time on minutiae, don't you? The authorities are there to protect and serve and not to disturb people in their environment, at their rest.

And worse, they still confuse industrial hemp with cannabis. So, your GNR colleagues also destroy entire hemp plantations.
It's the so-called alcohol-free group, isn't it, of hemp... Without the active ingredient, right?  

Yes, without the THC. But since the plant is the same, the GNR still confuses and destroys entire plantations, hectares and hectares!
It's not all of the GNR. We didn't screw anything up, in our case! (laughter)

That is true! (laughs) The GNR, yes, the GNR, no! And that's good!
I hope we meet in this life!

Me either!
See you soon!

Do you usually do meditation?
Yes, I have my gongs here at home... I'm even going to start them to sound so we can say goodbye! I have two or three other little ones; Normally, in my mornings, I do some breathing here. One of the most pleasant things is being woken up, even for breakfast, with a gong… pim pim pim… here at home I brought a little bit of the environments I frequent. It's still sounding, I don't know if you can hear it... uuuuuhhhh

You can hear the vibration, yes, very good!
I hit him a little hard, I'm sorry! (laughs) I apologize to the gong, too, which I usually give it more subtly! (laughter)
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This interview was originally published in issue #12 of CannaDouro Magazine, in December 2023.

 

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[Disclaimer: Please note that this text was originally written in Portuguese and is translated into English and other languages ​​using an automatic translator. Some words may differ from the original and typos or errors may occur in other languages.]

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With a degree in Journalism from the University of Coimbra, Laura Ramos has a postgraduate degree in Photography and has been a Journalist since 1998. She was a correspondent for Jornal de Notícias in Rome, Italy, and Press Advisor at the Office of the Minister of Education. She has an international certification in Permaculture (PDC) and created the street-art photographic archive “What says Lisbon?” @saywhatlisbon. Laura is currently Editor of CannaReporter and CannaZine, as well as founder and program director of PTMC - Portugal Medical Cannabis. She directed the documentary “Pacientes” and was part of the steering group of the first Postgraduate in GxP's for Medicinal Cannabis in Portugal, in partnership with the Military Laboratory and the Faculty of Pharmacy of the University of Lisbon.

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